NASCAR HOF Needs To Induct Several From The Ranks Of Its Pioneers

Junior Johnson and Richard Petty were members of the inaugural group of inductees into the NASCAR Hall of Fame, and rightfully so. The hall needs to be certain racing's pioneers are inducted, also.

I have to admit I got inspired when I read a piece by veteran motorsports writer – and long-time friend – Al Pearce.

I read ol’ “Crazy Al’s” discourse on the NASCAR Hall of Fame and quickly discovered we shared the same opinions on the hall’s shortcomings.

Pearce was, not unexpectedly, thorough and reasonable. He made excellent points.

Like him, and everyone else, I have my thoughts on the NASCAR Hall of Fame and its selection process.

That selection process is unquestionably the Hall’s most hotly debated issue. It has been made abundantly clear that fans and media members will always contest it.

Their reasons range from the number of eligible HOF inductees per season to the veracity of the selection committee – not to mention, of course, the critics’ personal preferences for hall membership.

One thing needs to be mentioned before this goes any further: No hall of fame in any sport, how it operates, how it elects members and which individuals it rewards with membership, is ever going to satisfy everyone.

It’s never happened. Nor will it ever happen.

So it will be with the NASCAR Hall of Fame.

But there are some things I think NASCAR can do that will, at the least, end some criticism and perhaps produce a more complete, balanced and respected hall of fame.

When the NASCAR Hall of Fame was opened, and its membership guidelines announced, the sanctioning body quickly put itself into a hole.

Among other things, the guidelines mandated that only five new members would be inducted into the hall each year.

Given that when the hall was opened, there was already a 60-year backlog of worthy candidates. It was going to take one heckuva long time for the even the best of them to be inducted.

Sure, the first individuals enshrined were obvious choices: Richard Petty, Bill France Sr., Dale Earnhardt, Junior Johnson, Ned Jarrett, David Pearson, Darrell Waltrip, Cale Yarborough and a few others.

They all achieved such greatness competitively, or in the development of NASCAR itself, that they became icons known and appreciated by everyone.

To quickly install them in the hall of fame was simply a matter of common sense, with which no one can argue.

But after three years things are a little different. Now the issue of who is inducted becomes more debatable.

Perhaps it would not be so if, say, 10 individuals were inducted.

But that only five will enter is of serious concern to many. The fear is that many of NASCAR’s pioneer drivers, mechanics, owners, officials, businessmen and others who worked in the “dark ages” and carved the path for what the sport is today, will be shuffled aside.

Why? Because there are so many of then and so few are elected per year.

The hall of fame provides displays of historical NASCAR cars and other artifacts. There are many interactive exhibits as well.

But it’s also because of selection panel’s membership. Many of those who vote see few races per year and have followed the sport for only a small number of seasons.

Others include heads of media organizations, those linked to, and even employed by, NASCAR and even three members of the France family itself.

Which can lead to two conclusions: NASCAR-influenced panelists can be induced to vote as the sanctioning body might demand.

Second, the relatively small number of panelists with any real knowledge of NASCAR’s past may forget, if they ever really knew, the sport’s pioneers – those who must be inducted into the hall sooner rather than later before they are entirely forgotten.

They are the very foundation of NASCAR.

They achieved great things simply by racing. They did so in an era where there was little radio, certainly no TV, no marketing, no public relations, no cyberspace, no social media – nothing.

They became stars via newspapers and word of mouth. Fans liked them and told others about them.

Thus, their reputations grew. So did NASCAR.

My only real concern with the NASCAR Hall of Fame is that these individuals’ inductions will come so slowly that, given time, they may well be forgotten.

Among the newest nominees to the hall are team owners Richard Childress and Rick Hendrick and champion driver Rusty Wallace.

I don’t have a problem whatsoever with their entrance into the hall. They certainly deserve it. For that matter, so do several others whose noteworthy careers were shaped after NASCAR’s pioneer days.

But I believe those pioneers deserve first consideration, simply because without them, there would be no Childress, Hendrick or Wallace.

NASCAR was formed on the shoulders of such individuals as multiple champions Herb Thomas, Tim Flock and Buck Baker; crowd-pleasing competitors such as Curtis Turner, Joe Weatherly, Fireball Roberts and Fred Lorenzen; innovative team owners like Raymond Parks and Carl Kiekhaefer; skilled technicians exemplified by Smoky Yunick and Red Vogt; the courageous competitor Wendell Scott – and more.

A hall of fame represents a sport’s past and honors those whose lofty achievements helped make it grow.

Right now, that can be said of the NASCAR Hall of Fame.

But as time goes by, it surely does not want to forget many of those whose accomplishments helped make it grow.

To assure that does not happen, the hall has some work to do.

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  • Mike Slade

    I AGREE WITH STEVE A 100%. I HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH NASCAR SINCE I WAS 14, I AM NOW 64. AT ONE TIME I WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR FREELANCE PHOTOGRAPHERS ON THE CIRCUIT. I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CONTRIBUTORS TO NASCAR SCENE WHEN IT WAS STARTED IN 1976. ANYWAY MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE MEN WHO HELP GET NASCAR STARTED GOES BACK A LONG WAY. THEIR ARE PEOPLE LIKE CARL KEIKAFFER (I THINK THAT IS HOW YOU SPELL HIS NAME) THE FLOCK BOYS, JOHNNY MANTZ, GOBER SOSOBEE, SMOKEY YUNICK, HERB NAB, JOE WEATHERLY, RALPH EARNHARDT, RED FARMER, BUCK BAKER, ROY MANE AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER MEN WHO MADE THE SPORT WHAT IT IS TODAY. 

    • Little Red Vogt

      And sadly, you also leave out the name of the man whose IDEA NSCRA that became NASCAR that was also his IDEA it was and who gave it it’s name!  “RED” VOGT!  I wonder why people somehow just do not know that?? Sure!! I amBIASED! I am his Son!  And the advantage I have being not only considerably older than you, Sir, is that I LIVED THOSE EARLY YEARS and I AM THE PERSON WHO DOES KNOW THE FACTS! Understand please that mean here not disrespect torward you or anyone else commenting here. I am a BIASED Son of a GREAT MAN!

      • Kenny Morris

         I am with you 110% red-I see and I did not have the honor to meet any of them-its a honor to know that your dad and raymond was the first two-seems like alot here is missing the whole point—where is “RedVoghts”name at?????????? It should have been way way on this list way before some—I will say it for sure cause I have a dont give a damn about Nascar after its went to hell—-I am a early fan of David Pearson and was into Davey Allison and Alan Kulwiki–this is in my area of when I was born and into the nascar era……….I wished I could have been there,these drivers today dont know what Nascar was back then(well Mark Martin does)——–but,for real the so called one person that has been spoken of that is in there has done nothing that I can see to be in the HOF-maybe somebody can tell me what she did-oooops—-oh well-there it is—-the hall of fame should be about people that cut their teeth  and busted their ass to make it the sport it is today.PERIOD! not behind some damn desk.

        • Sandra Fox Schrier

          My father Ray Fox will be 96, he also put David Pearson, Junior Johnson and many others on their way to fame..I agree with Lil Red Vogt our fathers were the ones that busted their butts and made Nascar what it is today, without them and a few others Nascar would not exsist!!!!! The fact that Red Vogt is not among the 25 nominees is disgusting and the commitee should be ashamed of themselves to have let this happen. 

          • Dlang12613

            Mrs. Schrier, I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with your dad  at Daytona & Darlington. What a pleasure it was for me to have a chance to speak with him and listen to some of his stories of the great days of racing.I hope he will get inducted while he is with us now.I wish there was a way to put some heat on the HOF commitee to add more inductees  every year. 5 people a year is a joke! Like Mr Vogt , his dad will have a tougher chance to get inducted as each year goes by as so many other people will also fall into this same fate. What else can be done about this? Continued good health to Mr Ray.

  • modified7

    Steve I agree with you. I am not interested in the pass 27 years of the sport that the panel seems more important to get into the hall. The drivers, car owners that help make the sport to what it is today. Like Red Byron,The Flock Bros., Thomas Bros. Joe Weatherly and a lot of the old “Sportsman-Modified”  (Al Tasnady,Rene Charlene, Ray Hendrick, Johnny Roberts. Car ownerTiny Slayton ) and others from all over this country made their mark in championships, wins and sportsmanship.  If the people from the early days don’t get in soon, most of the fans won’t know anything about them. There should be at least ten should go into the hall every year. This is not like the stick and ball sport. There is more stock car personal in this country help make Nascar. In other words pick from the begining up to 1975. We know the ones since then (1976-2012 will eventually get in. There is big list of people I’ve not mention at this time should go in he hall.
    Thanks!

    • Little Red Vogt

      I am always wondering why individuals such as yourself – and to no offense intended – just damned curious – forget the BEGINNING – who started the whole NSCRA that became NASCAR – who were responsible for it’s founding – yes, indeed who sacraficed Family, status, money and almost everything to get it all started way back in 1929 – YES -I AM speaking of “RED” VOGT & RAYMOND PARKS without whom there would not HAVE BEEN A NSCRA to become what they also caused to be now known as NASCAR – VOGT even gave it it’s name – AND how do I speak so clearly to this? Well, you see i WAS THERE - I KNOW ABOUT IT AND SAT at the conference tables in Nov/Dec-1947 – I LIVED those years – I knew the France Family BEFORE France even had a job in 1934 when Dad GAVE him a job in Atlanta whne France was BROKE – and PARKS funded him to Ormond Beach — and so-on-and-on! You see I have the advantage of all of you in that it was a part of MY LIFE!  that you do not know that is no fault of yours.

      • modified7

        I was only 14, I went to Florida to the beach race, (I believe it was1940 or 50) and through Big Bill, I helped the Airlift Rep. Re-number a lot of cars in two days. I believe Vogt & Parks should have been in the hall the first year along with alot of other pioneers. Should be at least 10 go in every year. Sorry, but I cannot remember all the drivers from area but I recondize tthe names when I see them. If the Hall don’t install the early pioneers soon, most of the race fans won’t know anything about them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RyanLeeSmith Ryan Smith

    There are enough older members on the panel who must use their influence to convince the younger members to vote for the pioneers. Ned Jarrett is a member and his contributions to the discussions are always held in high esteem by the other board members. I have faith that the pioneers will be more numerous than the younger candidates when it comes down to choosing the 5 of 25. I does bother me, though, that Rusty made it into the 25 before Red Vogt and Carl Kiekhafer. And what about Bruton Smith?

    • Little Red Vogt

      Your comments that do include the mention of my Father’s name are warmly appreciate, Ryan!

  • Dan Smith

    Very nice article Steve. When talking about the founding members of NASCAR it is hard to have any validity to a list that dosent include Red Vogt. As far as the pioneers in NASCAR that same list is incomplete without Smokey Yunick. Raymond Parks should have already been in also. As far as a better idea to the nomination & induction process, I read an article by Dennis Michelsen on a system that would help take away some of the problems some see with the process. His idea was to turn it over to the NMPA with a founders (NASCAR) pick. I think that would be a major improvement and maybe just maybe add some validity to the HOF. Just my thoughts.

  • Foxbat73

    Hendrick and Childress before Holman and Moody?  I realize it is a pair, but they need to be in the Hall before a pardoned Federal Felon and someone who uses more hair die than Darrell Waltrip. 
    What about Darel Derringer testing the inner liner for tires?  The sport would have closed up shop had the inner liner not been developed.  Remember all the tire issues?  Oh, right, most of the fans today think the sport began with Dale Earnhardt.  Not so.  Buck Baker, Tim Flock, Fonte Flock, Joe Weatherly, Fred Lorenzen, Marvin Panch.  What about Jack Ingram?  These folks made the sport go and stay on the radar.  What about broadcasters Bob Montgomery and Ken Squire?  I could go on and on. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.c.brown Robert Carl Brown

    So far with 15 inductees 14 came from the original list of 25 put forward the first year (Dale Inman being the only exception) So there are now 11 people left from the original 25 and once you remove Childress and Hendrick who are still in the middle of their “Career” and really shouldn’t be in any rush to be elected that leaves 9 people who should be first and foremost to get into the hall this year.   Another of that initial group is Benny Parsons (who i’m confused at being included when i hear that media work isn’t criteria for inclusion…i’m also confused that Ned Jarrett was voted in; based on what people who voted said in large part for his excellent media work)  So excluding those 3 we have 8 of the original nominees who should get first dibs at shot in without a really strong argument against them.   Buck Baker; Red Byron; Tim Flock; Raymond Parks; Fireball Roberts; Herb Thomas; Curtis Turner; and Joe Weatherly.  Any of those five (or even four) would be an excellent class that properly congratulates where we came from.   And in 15-20 years we’ll  have the reverse problem where this silly “5 per year” means we’re putting in people that don’t belong in the hall of fame after all of these years and having arguments about “Good” versus “Great” in terms of who gets in.  When we get to Dale Jarrett and Bobby Labonte who had really GOOD careers on the list for induction i sure hope we didn’t skip over the GREAT drivers that made this sport it’s first 30 years.   

    From the department of “Too Late Now” a lot of this could have been helped by doing 5 per year starting as soon as Hall was announced (so 10-15 were in there before it started) or if they did two or three classes a year the first 3 years just to jump start membership.

  • PriceB17

    Very good report…………….and what about Bill Elliott before Rusty,, he won the first Winston  payoff by winning 3 out of the 4 required races,  champion in 88, and how many times was he voted the most popular driver?

    • Dlang12613

      But the problem with Bill is he is still considered an active driver. He will go in on his 1st shot in .

  • Little Red Vogt

    Your observations concerning the HoF are appropriately and fundamentaly correct. It is skilled Journalist Writers like youself who will begin to have some influence on the process but only IF followed by your collegues. You, I personally know, have always supported the History of NSCRA, now known as NASCAR, and you full well are very aware of my standing on these issues and that shall never change!  I respect your unbiased views perhaps more than almost anyone because I know of your ethics and your wish to seek a proper balance in the conditions that now exist in NASCAR that I THINK are deplorable. This as my personal view.

    You are so very aware of my stance concerning the continued absence of my Father, “RED” VOGT, from the Nomination List. How he can continue to be ignored when HE and particularly RAYMOND PARKS {who is NOW on the list} can or could be shunted aside when THEY were the ACTUAL BEGINNING of the whole process way back in 1929 can, in my view as biased as can only be, represent some internal aggrevation with them in NASCAR; it would appear most especially with my Dad.  I cannot speak on the matter without being accused of BIAS! Well, I am BIASED!

    I thank you so much Candice, for expending your time, expertise and through thought process on this subject that needs so much attention. I believe you did a superior and your usual balanced presentation in this article.

    • http://twitter.com/Chief187s Candice Smith

      Little Red Vogt,

      Steve Waid is the author of this excellent article. I was merely promoting his work all over Facebook. But, as you well know, I support all stated above. 

      Candice

  • Little Red Vogt

    May I please intrude here to say that I have an issue with the induction of ANY ACTIVE – CURRENTLY RACING – member of NASCAR into the Hall of Fame. The reason for this is very simple! These people are human and not perfect in any way. What IF, and only IF, there is a very unhappy event involving one of these people who would ahve already been inducted and the event wa such that the individual themselves were to be involved in some VERY UNFORTUNATE and {at this writing an imaginaary}  Criminal Act such that it would cast aspersions upon NASCAR — THEN NASCAR HAS PUT THEMSELVES IN A TERRIBLE POSITION.

    DO NOT SAY THAT IT CANNOT HAPPEN.   I to trust these people . Certainly I do but one cannot predict the future!  CAN YOU??  WHO IS TO SAY THIS IS PERPOSTEROUS and then sit and think about the possibilities.  This suggestion will receive heavy criticism.  And so?

  • Johnny C Cozart

    Well written and thought out…Thanks…you have done your part…
    Good Job Steve…Johnny C Cozart …Mooresville,NC

  • http://twitter.com/wood_brothers21 Gregory D. Howe

    Without the contributions of Anne Bledsoe France and Raymond Parks NASCAR as we know it would not have come into being.  The committee snubbed Parks, when it could have paid tribute to him while he was alive, what a sad set of circumstances.  If the aforementioned two and Leonard Wood are finally inducted, what should have been the hall’s inaugural class will, at last be properly enshrined.  The folks that think Mrs. France was a “ticket taker” and a “bean counter” are only showing their limited knowledge of NASCAR’s history.

    • Little Red Vogt

      Say, George, you appear to be in ordinately famaliar with the History of those early years of NASCARS formation and the various roles such as Mrs. France played.  I would be very interested to know just exctly what did Mrs. France do in the formation of NASCAR? Perhaps you knew the Senior France’s and were close enough to them to be able to speak to this for us.

  • Little Red Vogt

    I note that even the Graphic Picture included with this WELL WRITTEN Article show only the MORE RECENT History Cars rn in NASCAR – leaving the impression for many Modern Fans that it is perhaps where NASCAR actually started which is whre SO MANY FANS REALLY THINK IT DID!  “A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words” — Thin upon this – and you will see how the Media has played a Major role in fausting this false impression upon the Modern Fan! NO! This is not a small matter.

  • Tbirdracing2

    Wonderful observations Candice. As accurate and fair appraisal of the situation as it exists as I have seen. Good Job!!

    • http://twitter.com/Chief187s Candice Smith

      Steve Waid is the author, I merely promoted the piece. I do, however, completely agree with my mentor.

  • Dlang12613

    Very good article Mr. Waid. I had the pleasure of talking to you years ago at Daytona and I always enjoy your articles. This article has brought up a lot of debate on this issue. Would there be any chance that the HOF will ever change the # of people that will be inducted in every year. Every other HOF has no limit as to inductees. NASCAR  has 70+ years that we need to have included now. The older members of NASCAR should have the chance to be honored while they are still alive. I have never understood why the HOF does not break it up, so have it grouped up like “media personalities” print and radio and TV included, NASCAR officials, Owners and executives, mechanics,”legends” modern era drivers. Maybe they could have 2-3 from group or even more. I just think 5 people a year from the entie industry is a laugh.  I’m sure Cotten Owens and Ray Fox would love to hear the people chear them in the Hall. Sorry but Hendrix and Childress shoudn’t even be include yet and I like both of them. Maybe the  current board will put the heat on Winston Kelly to consider these changes. One problem is that most of the racing fans do not know the true legends and founders of NASCAR and as time goes by the voice of those people are being silenced every day!  Little Red has a true reason to complain about his dad and his voice will here again get smaller as time goes on.  I love this sport and I  hope that justice we be done for the founding heros of this sport. I know this is a difficult issue  but, lets find a way to accomplish this feat! We all owe it to the sport we all love and enjoy!

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